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09:03:33 AM Presentation: Fall 2014 Forecast
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Presentation: Fall 2014 Forecast
Randall Hoffbeck, Commissioner-Designee
Department of Revenue
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 26, 2015                                                                                           
                         9:02 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:02:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RECONVENED: CONTINUATION OF RECESSED MEETING ON 1/23/15.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  called the Senate Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 9:02 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Anna MacKinnon, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice-Chair                                                                                              
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Randall   Hoffbeck,  Commissioner-Designee,   Department  of                                                                    
Revenue;  John  Tichotsky,  Chief Economist,  Tax  Division,                                                                    
Department of Revenue; Representative Liz Vasquez.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: FALL 2014 FORECAST                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:03:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Randall   HOFFBECK,  COMMISSIONER-DESIGNEE,   DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
REVENUE,  explained  that  the   majority  of  the  "Revenue                                                                    
Forecast"  presentation  would  be  presented  by  Dr.  John                                                                    
Tichotsky,  the  Chief  Economist   for  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue  (DOR) and  the head  of  the department's  economic                                                                    
research group  responsible for  the revenue  forecasting in                                                                    
the Revenue Sources book. He referred to slide 3:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Methods: What Do We Forecast at DOR?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     · We directly forecast Petroleum Revenue                                                                                   
     ·  the largest component,  accounting for 88%  of state                                                                    
        unrestricted revenue in FY 2014                                                                                         
     ·  "Petroleum  Revenue"   includes   severance   taxes,                                                                    
        royalties, corporate income tax, and all other                                                                          
        revenue from oil companies                                                                                              
     · We directly forecast Non-petroleum Revenue                                                                               
     ·  We  use  someone  else's   forecast  for  Investment                                                                    
        Revenue                                                                                                                 
     · We use the Federal Revenue authorized for spending                                                                       
        as the forecast                                                                                                         
     ·  It is  typically  20%-30%  more than  actually  gets                                                                    
        spent.                                                                                                                  
     ·  DOR  compiles  all  different  revenue  streams  and                                                                    
        compiles them in the annual Revenue Sources Book                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck turned to slide 4:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     "Oil Revenue Forecasting,"                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Three Factors for Production Tax Revenue Forecast                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     REVENUE  =  (Net value  *  Tax  Rate) -  Credits  taken                                                                    
     against liability                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Net value = (Price*Production) - Costs                                                                                     
     1. Price                                                                                                                   
     2. Production                                                                                                              
     3. Costs                                                                                                                   
     1. Capital expenditures                                                                                                    
     2. Operating expenditures                                                                                                  
     3. Transportation cost                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck noted that the three factors provided                                                                     
structure for understanding the forecast.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck discussed slide 5:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     "Fall 2014 Highlights"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
    •Input changes relative to the 2014 Spring Forecast                                                                         
     •Oil  price levels  have been  reduced  sharply in  the                                                                    
     near-term.                                                                                                                 
     •Oil production has been increased for all years.                                                                          
     •Correspondingly, unrestricted revenues have been                                                                          
     revised downward.                                                                                                          
     •Revenue impacts largely due to changes in oil price                                                                       
     assumptions.                                                                                                               
     •Lease expenditure (or investment) in the oil fields                                                                       
     maintained high levels which has increased expected                                                                        
     production                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck explained  that the  slide summarized                                                                    
the differences between the fall and spring forecast.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche  asked  whether  Commissioner  Hoffbeck                                                                    
felt  "comfortable"  with  the  more  conservative  approach                                                                    
employed in the current revenue forecast.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  replied that he was  comfortable with                                                                    
the   conservative   methodology   used   in   the   current                                                                    
forecasting. He  noted that oil prices  had further declined                                                                    
since the fall forecast was published.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Micciche   wondered  whether   the   department                                                                    
included analysis of political  and other investment climate                                                                    
forces when constructing the revenue forecast.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  TICHOTSKY, CHIEF  ECONOMIST, TAX  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF REVENUE,  answered that  the department  had access  to a                                                                    
broad range  of analysts  due to  its relationship  with the                                                                    
Permanent Fund Corporation and  the yearly price forecasting                                                                    
session.   The  department   maintained  contact   with  the                                                                    
analysts and relied on their  expertise to "keep a pulse" on                                                                    
the  political and  structural  (supply  and demand)  issues                                                                    
affecting  the  markets.  The   department  strove  to  stay                                                                    
informed   as  the   predictive   analysis  developed.   The                                                                    
department analyzed ranges of  prices with the eventual goal                                                                    
of attempting to predict revenue.  The current tax structure                                                                    
did not impact revenue as greatly  with low oil prices as it                                                                    
did with higher prices.                                                                                                         
Commissioner Hoffbeck noted an  error in slide placement and                                                                    
clarified that slide 7 will be addressed after slide 11.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  explained slide  8, "Production  History with                                                                    
Adjusted Expected  Investment Case."  The graph  depicted an                                                                    
overview  of  production  history  heading  into  a  decline                                                                    
period from  the high  production period  of the  1980's. He                                                                    
drew attention  to the  bulk of  the production  coming from                                                                    
Prudhoe Bay, which would continue  to dominate production in                                                                    
the future.  In addition,  new smaller fields  coming online                                                                    
contributed  to increased  production of  over 500  thousand                                                                    
barrels per day (bbl. /d).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  cited slide  9, "ANS  Production Comparison,"                                                                    
which  illustrated  the  contrast between  the  2014  spring                                                                    
forecast and  the 2014  fall forecast.  He relayed  that the                                                                    
department meticulously  scrutinized any projections  of new                                                                    
production included  in the  oil companies  production plans                                                                    
before inclusion in the forecast.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:14:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Dunleavy  asked   whether   models  existed   that                                                                    
considered  the  "dramatic"  and  "precipitous"  decline  in                                                                    
price,  how it  impacted  production, and  if  a "lag  time"                                                                    
occurred between  price change  and production.  He wondered                                                                    
whether low oil  prices spurred a decline  in production and                                                                    
high oil prices prompted increased production.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky   stated  that  production  was   related  to                                                                    
investment; Alaska  was currently  in a  "strong" investment                                                                    
period. He noted  that investment lead to  periods of future                                                                    
production.   He   continued   that  the   "timing   between                                                                    
investment and  prices were  not connected."  Oil companies'                                                                    
production   plans  were   made   "irrespective"  of   price                                                                    
fluctuations because plans were made in the long-term.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche  referenced  slide  8,  and  noted  the                                                                    
predicted decline  in oil production beginning  in mid-2017.                                                                    
He asked  what the  probability of declining  oil production                                                                    
was beyond 2017.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky   cautioned  that  the   decline  represented                                                                    
"statistical uncertainty"  since the forecast  was difficult                                                                    
to  predict   over  longer   periods  of   time.  Production                                                                    
forecasts  were  most reliable  up  to  two years  into  the                                                                    
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche surmised  that if  the current  decline                                                                    
"flattened out" in 2017, it  would indicate that the decline                                                                    
prediction would also even out.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  agreed and concurred that  as more definitive                                                                    
information  was available  in  the  future the  information                                                                    
would  be reflected  in the  forecast model.  The department                                                                    
forecasted a specific  price for budget purposes  but as the                                                                    
model was projected over time  the prediction was more of an                                                                    
"image" of  the future.  He reiterated that  the forecasting                                                                    
data was much less reliable over longer periods of time.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  asked  that  when  forecasting  "long-term                                                                    
production outputs" how much consideration  was given to the                                                                    
current  price  of oil  and  market  conditions and  if  the                                                                    
department  thought  that  the industry  would  "pull  back"                                                                    
production with sustained low oil prices.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  answered  that  during  the  price  forecast                                                                    
session in  October, oil prices were  anticipated to decline                                                                    
but  not  as  low  as  what  occurred.  He  maintained  that                                                                    
economists  understood  commodity  market  volatility;  long                                                                    
periods  of price  stability  worried economists.  Stability                                                                    
was indicative of  a supply and demand  equilibrium that was                                                                    
historically  unusual.   He  was  certain  that   if  prices                                                                    
continued to  decline energy  demand would  increase, supply                                                                    
curtailed and  the equilibrium changed. The  uncertainty was                                                                    
the timeline of when that  would occur. The department would                                                                    
update and revise the information  in the spring forecast as                                                                    
conditions   changed  and   information  was   received.  He                                                                    
speculated that  some price recovery  was on the  horizon at                                                                    
some point in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered whether the  department considered                                                                    
Oil Producing and  Exporting Countries (OPEC) pronouncements                                                                    
of future projections when forecasting.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky replied with uncertainty.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:24:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon    asked   whether    the   President's                                                                    
announcement regarding "taking areas  of the Alaska National                                                                    
Wildlife Refuge (ANWR)" affected the revenue forecast.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  replied in the affirmative.  He detailed that                                                                    
the   department   took   into   account   federal   policy,                                                                    
international  markets,  and   anything  that  would  affect                                                                    
supply and demand when developing the forecast.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  whether the  ANWR  pronouncement                                                                    
could  be  quantified  so the  legislature  could  send  the                                                                    
federal government a bill for lost revenue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck interjected  that the current forecast                                                                    
did not  include oil  from the  ANWR areas  because projects                                                                    
were not  slated in  areas of the  reserve. He  thought that                                                                    
the  policy did  have a  "major impact"  on new  options for                                                                    
additional  revenue  moving  forward  in a  climate  of  low                                                                    
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether any of  the "ANWR reserves                                                                    
were banked  on any  of the  producers books."  She informed                                                                    
the committee  that producers banked reserves  were factored                                                                    
into a  producer's credit  worthiness. She  wondered whether                                                                    
producers had holdings  on banked reserves in  ANWR and what                                                                    
the repercussions were on the  United States economy and the                                                                    
state of Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck  noted  that  he  was  not  aware  of                                                                    
information available  to DOR to determine  whether any ANWR                                                                    
holdings were "banked on producer's books."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  related that she would  inquire with the                                                                    
state's producers for an answer.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  referred to an  article titled,  "OPEC Meets                                                                    
Adman Smith"  he read  decades ago  and summarized  that the                                                                    
laws  of   supply  and   demand  prevailed   over  curtailed                                                                    
production.  He  believed  that  in  the  current  situation                                                                    
demand would increase as the  price lowered but the scenario                                                                    
would take  a much longer  period of time  because currently                                                                    
continuing to  increase production did not  make sense under                                                                    
the  low  price  environment.  He  wondered  whether  OPEC's                                                                    
continued high production  in the climate of  low oil prices                                                                    
affected  prices in  the long-term  as opposed  to producing                                                                    
less in the a period of high oil prices.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky replied that much  "complexity" existed in the                                                                    
markets. He  predicted that as  a "general  rule," extremely                                                                    
low prices in  the near future would create  a more volatile                                                                    
market.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly asked what natural  forces in economics would                                                                    
affect an increase  in the price of oil in  a scenario where                                                                    
one  producer  continued to  increase  production  in a  low                                                                    
price market.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky   answered  that  cheaper   commodity  prices                                                                    
created more demand.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly confirmed  his  understanding and  clarified                                                                    
that   currently,  OPEC   seemed   committed  to   increased                                                                    
production regardless  of the  low price  of oil,  which was                                                                    
counter to traditional market forces.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky responded  that Saudi  Arabia was  the "swing                                                                    
producer" in  OPEC because the  country had the  capacity to                                                                    
boost production  anytime. However;  low oil  prices created                                                                    
instability  in oil  producing nations.  He exemplified  the                                                                    
current  situation in  Russia.  He  explained that  Russia's                                                                    
currency was  devalued and "issues with  production" ensued.                                                                    
He underlined that complex issues  made predicting the price                                                                    
of oil arduous.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly concurred  with  Mr. Tichotsky's  statements                                                                    
and reiterated  his belief that  OPEC will produce  more oil                                                                    
to generate more revenue.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  characterized his assumption as  a reasonable                                                                    
explanation, but  cautioned not to underestimate  the "great                                                                    
uncertainty" of the market that  could cause prices to lower                                                                    
or raise. He surmised  that "uncertainty will probably breed                                                                    
volatility."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy contended that the  future price of oil was                                                                    
unknown and  impossible to predict. He  believed that basing                                                                    
the  budget on  revenue  forecasts was  akin  to basing  the                                                                    
budget on "winnings  in Las Vegas." The  world market forces                                                                    
were changing  and unpredictable  and that the  state needed                                                                    
to  base the  budget on  very low  oil prices  and very  low                                                                    
production   estimates   to   create  stability   in   state                                                                    
budgeting.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:37:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked if  Mr.  Tichotsky  could comment  on                                                                    
Senator Micciche's  belief that Saudi Arabia  was attempting                                                                    
to "break  North Dakota"  with below  $40/bbl. price  of oil                                                                    
and  that the  price would  not rebound  until the  scenario                                                                    
occurred.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  replied that the  scenario was  not unlikely,                                                                    
but  reminded  the  committee  that   Alaskan  oil  did  not                                                                    
influence price. Alaska typically  received anywhere from $2                                                                    
billion  to  $5  billion  in revenues  from  oil  each  year                                                                    
regardless of  price and  thought that  it was  a reasonable                                                                    
expectation.                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  pointed out  that  with  regard to  the                                                                    
President's  recent comments  on  new  oil development,  the                                                                    
state received  $35 million in  offshore oil in  2014 (cited                                                                    
on page  94 of the  Revenue Sources Book) and  was projected                                                                    
to increase. She requested that  DOR "run some numbers based                                                                    
on what  the federal government  had proposed" and  send the                                                                    
government a bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche  felt that the effect  of speculation on                                                                    
oil prices  had radically decreased  in the last year  to 18                                                                    
months. He asked whether the trend might continue.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  opined  that speculation  was  an  important                                                                    
"part  of  the process  that  created  forward thinking  and                                                                    
expectations". He  agreed that  there was  less speculation,                                                                    
but  felt as  prices  or  uncertainty increased  speculation                                                                    
would also increase.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky pointed to the  word "offshore" on page 94, of                                                                    
the  Revenue  Sources  book. He  clarified  that  "offshore"                                                                    
referred to  the territorial waters  of Alaska or  the three                                                                    
to six  mile revenue  sharing zone. The  state did  not have                                                                    
any sovereign or property rights beyond the 6 mile zone.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky turned to slide 10:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ANS OIL PRODUCTION FORECAST                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •Volumes    from    Developed    Reserves    (Currently                                                                    
     Producing):                                                                                                                
     •Oil from  wells that are  in production  and following                                                                    
     typical  reservoir   engineering  optimization  without                                                                    
     major investment.                                                                                                          
     •These volumes  are from projects already  in place and                                                                    
     thus remain unadjusted for risk.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     •Volumes     from      Undeveloped     Reserves     and                                                                    
     additional/accelerated Developed Reserves:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     •Oil  from projects  that will  add incremental  oil to                                                                    
     existing  fields   or  will   bring  new   fields  into                                                                    
     production.                                                                                                                
     •Must have senior management  approval and be allocated                                                                    
     funds in the company's budget.                                                                                             
     •These   volumes  are   risk-adjusted  for   commercial                                                                    
     uncertainty.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     •Volumes from Contingent Resources:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     •Oil from projects that are likely to occur in the                                                                         
     future, but have not met the requirements of the                                                                           
     previous category.                                                                                                         
     •Oil reserves must be known and recovery is                                                                                
     technically possible with current technology.                                                                              
     •These volumes are more strongly risk-adjusted due to                                                                      
     the commercial uncertainty and other risks.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •DR + UDR + CR = Unrisked Investment Case                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky referred to slide  12, "North Slope Production                                                                    
Forecast,"  that   graphed  the  volumes  of   the  reserves                                                                    
according to  its classification.  He reported  that volumes                                                                    
from developed reserves were forecast  with a high degree of                                                                    
certainty.  The  reserves   from  undeveloped  reserves  and                                                                    
contingent  sources were  forecast with  "relative certainty                                                                    
and included in the  production forecast. He elaborated that                                                                    
the  "upside  potential  volume" from  undeveloped  reserves                                                                    
reported  in   a  company's  production  plan   offered  the                                                                    
department much less  certainty and was not  included in the                                                                    
production forecast.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky continued to  slide 12, "Production Forecast,"                                                                    
which contained  a graph of forecasted  production from 2015                                                                    
through  2024. He  indicated that  the revenue  forecast was                                                                    
based on a  specific price in 2015 and  2016. The department                                                                    
historically  "over forecasted"  future production  volumes.                                                                    
Previously, the  departments "risking  methodology" included                                                                    
the  "unrisked investment  case" which  contributed to  over                                                                    
forecasting   future  production.   The  reasons   DOR  over                                                                    
forecasted  the unrisked  investment case  was twofold.  One                                                                    
reason pertained  to timing; projects were  in progress, but                                                                    
the  commencement  of  production  was  unknown.  The  other                                                                    
reason was that the predicted  amount of production from the                                                                    
project was overestimated.  However, the unrisked investment                                                                    
case  line  on  the  graph  illustrated  a  "very  realistic                                                                    
potential of  oil that  could come  online, given  the right                                                                    
investment  climate."  He  added that  the  "low  investment                                                                    
case" included on the  graph portrayed production forecasted                                                                    
relying  on   currently  producing   reserves  and   no  new                                                                    
investment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy queried  whether the  state was  currently                                                                    
"in a low investment scenario."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  believed that  it was too  early to  know. He                                                                    
opined that Alaska could market  itself as a safe investment                                                                    
in a low price climate.  Because the lead time to production                                                                    
was  long, and  volumes were  large by  the time  production                                                                    
commenced prices  would be higher.  He defined  his scenario                                                                    
as "compelling."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Tichotsky  continued   that  the   current  production                                                                    
forecast   portrayed  the   "range  of   possibilities"  and                                                                    
provided "goalposts" for future market scenarios.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:49:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  asked  whether the  department  contacted                                                                    
with  a production  engineer and  wondered what  happened to                                                                    
the  individual  if the  projections  were  "wildly off  the                                                                    
mark."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  responded  that  recent  one  and  two  year                                                                    
predictions  were   accurate.  He   pointed  out   that  the                                                                    
difficulty  was with  definitive forecasts  over a  ten year                                                                    
horizon.  He  felt  that   the  ideal  long-term  prediction                                                                    
included a  range of production volumes.  Forecasting beyond                                                                    
a two-year horizon  was problematic. He voiced  that DOR was                                                                    
satisfied with its short-term forecasting.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy   assumed  that  a  DOR   expert  did  not                                                                    
anticipate the current steep decline in oil prices.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  reiterated that  the production  forecast was                                                                    
based  on the  information  provided by  the oil  companies;                                                                    
their  production plans  and  investments  and believed  the                                                                    
current forecast was satisfactory.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky identified slide 7:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     DEPT. OF REVENUE INVESTMENT CASES                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     •Unrisked Investment Case:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     •This is a technical forecast provided by a DOR                                                                            
     consulting petroleum engineering service.                                                                                  
     •It is based upon the expectations and best estimates                                                                      
     of oil companies.                                                                                                          
     •It includes forecasts from the production from                                                                            
     developed, undeveloped oil reserves and contingent                                                                         
     resources                                                                                                                  
     •Adjusted Expected Investment Case:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     •This is the official revenue forecast.                                                                                    
     •Unrisked investment case adjusted for risks and                                                                           
     uncertainties.                                                                                                             
     •It is used for forecasting revenue beyond two years.                                                                      
     •All developed reserves remain un-risked, but less                                                                         
     certain projects are weighted over time.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     •Low Investment Case:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     •This includes forecasts strictly from projects and                                                                        
     wells that are already developed. This is risk                                                                             
     weighted only at the technical level.                                                                                      
     •If no new projects came to fruition, this is what we                                                                      
     would expect the future to look like.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  examined slide 14, "Alaska  North Slope Crude                                                                    
West Coast  Price." He articulated  that the  graph depicted                                                                    
the inaccuracy  of the forecasted mid-term  average price of                                                                    
over $100.  The price hovered  at $47. However,  prices were                                                                    
typically volatile and  the current low was not  as steep as                                                                    
a drop that occurred as recently as 2009.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  referred to slide 14,  and wondered what                                                                    
the notated "95 percent confidence level" meant.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky related  that the  confidence  level was  not                                                                    
contained in  the slide and  referred to chapter 4,  page 29                                                                    
of the Revenue Sources Book.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche clarified  that  the  inclusion of  the                                                                    
confidence level  reference on the  slide was a  mistake and                                                                    
did not refer to the data on slide 14.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mt.  Tichotsky affirmed  but further  clarified that  in the                                                                    
Revenue Sources  Book the reference to  the confidence level                                                                    
related  to  the  actual  price relative  to  the  mean.  He                                                                    
continued to slide 15, "Alaska  North Slope Crude West Coast                                                                    
and  West  Texas  Intermediate Prices,"  which  graphed  the                                                                    
price relationship  between Alaska  North Slope  Crude (ANS)                                                                    
and  West Texas  Intermediate  (WTI). He  observed that  the                                                                    
volatility in the  price of oil was more of  the norm rather                                                                    
than the stable price environment of the last few years.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked why the  price of Brent oil was not                                                                    
included in the comparison on slide 15.                                                                                         
Mr. Tichotsky responded that Alaska  North Slope crude (ANS)                                                                    
was  traded on  the West  Coast market.  He elucidated  that                                                                    
historically, ANS accounted  for a large share  of the crude                                                                    
oil  refined in  California  and Washington.  ANS crude  was                                                                    
currently more like  Brent crude which traded  on the global                                                                    
market by water tanker.  West Texas Intermediate represented                                                                    
U.S.  sourced  (U.S.  midlands) crude  at  depressed  prices                                                                    
because  the  oil was  suppressed  from  global markets.  He                                                                    
elaborated  that  the  amount  of  crude  had  significantly                                                                    
decreased  and  was  substituted  with  crude  from  various                                                                    
countries, i.e., Ecuador or Russia.  Currently, ANS was part                                                                    
of  a global  market called  "water born  crudes." The  West                                                                    
Texas  Intermediate market  represented  the U.S.  midlands,                                                                    
which was "bottlenecked" and not able  to get its oil to the                                                                    
global  markets resulting  in  lower prices.  Traditionally,                                                                    
the  state "benchmarked"  off of  the price  of the  WTI but                                                                    
since entering  the global water  born market, "…  the state                                                                    
no  longer  took the  WTI  benchmark  at a  coefficient  and                                                                    
imputed" the price of ANS based off of WTI.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair McKinnon  asked that  if Brent  oil was  graphed on                                                                    
the chart would the price be similar to ANS.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  answered  that  in  general  the  two  crude                                                                    
markers were very similar.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  wondered  why the  graph  depicted  WTI                                                                    
instead of Brent oil.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky specified that the  WTI benchmark was familiar                                                                    
and  regularly reported  in the  news media.  The department                                                                    
would  provide   a  graph  that   included  the   Brent  oil                                                                    
benchmark.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair   MacKinnon  wondered   whether  DOR   changed  its                                                                    
modeling.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky replied that until  5 years ago DOR forecasted                                                                    
WTI prices  and converted them  to ANS using  a coefficient.                                                                    
However,  the practice  was halted  when  the WTI  benchmark                                                                    
became "disaligned"  with ANS. He furthered  that Brent oil,                                                                    
being a  European marker, was  not an  appropriate benchmark                                                                    
either.   The   department    forecasted   the   ANS   price                                                                    
exclusively.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  commented on  slide 15.  He shared  that the                                                                    
bottleneck  on  WTI  was  being   mitigated  by  an  "export                                                                    
pipeline at  Cushing" [Wyoming] to  Port Arthur  [Texas]. In                                                                    
addition,   he   noted   significant  west   coast   capital                                                                    
investments  expanding railroad  lines to  the Cherry  Point                                                                    
terminal   [near   Blaine,    Washington].   He   felt   the                                                                    
transportation  changes, in  addition to  Bakken oil  [North                                                                    
Dakota] was exerting pressure on ANS prices.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky responded  that the opening up  of Cushing was                                                                    
raising  the price  of WTI  up to  the global  price without                                                                    
affecting the  global price. He commented  that transporting                                                                    
crude was costly, inefficient and  limited to rail capacity.                                                                    
Tanker  and  pipeline  transport   of  crude  oil  was  more                                                                    
efficient.  Railed Bakken  oil was  not competing  with ANS;                                                                    
global water born crudes were.  He communicated that Alaskan                                                                    
crude  also  had  the  option of  being  exported  to  other                                                                    
markets. He  hypothesized that if the  Cherry Point refinery                                                                    
price  dropped too  low, the  proper  incentives would  fall                                                                    
into place for the option  to sell to Asian markets existed.                                                                    
He  cautioned  that the  issues  were  complex and  "not  as                                                                    
simple as it seemed at face value."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche  asked whether  there "was any  value to                                                                    
Alaska"  supporting import  tariffs on  exported oil  coming                                                                    
into the west coast market."  He mentioned that tariffs were                                                                    
applied to Alaskan oil exported to other countries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky responded that  tariff "mechanisms can produce                                                                    
monetary  value in  the short  term. He  believed that  over                                                                    
time markets  set the "most  efficient" price and  the state                                                                    
would fare  better to "develop  to the market  price" rather                                                                    
than impose tariffs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky directed attention to slide 16;                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     "Key Oil Price Drivers,"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     •Supply & Demand                                                                                                           
     •There are two main factors to monitor.                                                                                    
     •Global spare  capacity, since it is  both a reflection                                                                    
     of supply and demand.  In other words, the Organization                                                                    
     of Petroleum Exporting  Countries (OPEC) spare capacity                                                                    
     (flipping a switch) is key.                                                                                                
     •Cost of developing new oil supply.                                                                                        
     •Current Events                                                                                                            
     •Weak global demand                                                                                                        
     •Saudi trades market share for lower prices                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  Commissioner Hoffbeck  whether he                                                                    
believed  that  The  President's response  to  the  Keystone                                                                    
Pipeline Project would affect ANS supply and demand.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck replied  that he  did not  believe it                                                                    
would affect  ANS supply, but  that moving the  product more                                                                    
efficiently   would  affect   demand.  He   felt  that   the                                                                    
President's  actions of  keeping the  pipeline "bottled  up"                                                                    
actually benefited the ANS price.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   further  queried  whether   "what  the                                                                    
President was  doing was helping  keep prices  depressed for                                                                    
America."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky stated that when  attempting to forecast price                                                                    
the most  useful tool  was to  understand the  potential for                                                                    
high and  low price extremes  and other complex  factors. It                                                                    
was  impossible to  pinpoint  the global  oil  price on  one                                                                    
particular factor.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  referred to  the Keystone  Oil Pipeline,                                                                    
and  wondered  whether  completion  would  affect  "Alaska's                                                                    
viability  for  production"  or "create  less  incentive  in                                                                    
Alaska."  She judged  that the  Keystone Pipeline  would not                                                                    
affect ANS.  She believed that  ANS was a "resource  for all                                                                    
of America." She stated that,  "Saudi Arabia was controlling                                                                    
the  market   right  now"  and  wondered   whether  Keystone                                                                    
affected Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky responded that the  Keystone Pipeline "was not                                                                    
directly related  to the west  coast market."  He delineated                                                                    
that  the  Keystone  Pipeline  affected  the  WTI  price  by                                                                    
exporting  North American  midland crude  to the  market. He                                                                    
delineated that Alaska production  did not control the price                                                                    
and  was sold  into the  west  coast market,  which was  not                                                                    
affected by the Keystone  Pipeline. He noted that Ecuadorian                                                                    
and East Siberian crude competed more directly with ANS.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly handed the gavel over to Co-Chair MacKinnon.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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Mr. Tichotsky referred to slide 17:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "Price Forecast Methodology"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Price Forecasting Session                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     •Held  a  day long  oil  price  forecasting session  on                                                                    
     October 7, 2014.                                                                                                           
     •Speakers   provided   insight    into   oil   markets,                                                                    
     probability  and  analysis,   modeling,  and  financial                                                                    
     aspects of commodity markets.                                                                                              
     •37  participants from  state government,  academia and                                                                    
     the private sector.                                                                                                        
     •DOR,  DNR, DOL,  OMB, University,  Legislative Finance                                                                    
     and outside participants.                                                                                                  
     •Participants were  asked to forecast P10,  median, and                                                                    
     P90 real ANS prices for the West Coast.                                                                                    
     •Real prices  were converted to  nominal using  a 2.25%                                                                    
     inflation assumption.                                                                                                      
     •Official forecast  is based on  probabilistic outcomes                                                                    
     from Price Forecast Session and DOR price model.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  noted  that  representatives  from  the  oil                                                                    
industry did not participate in  the forecasting session due                                                                    
to  anti-trust  issues.  He  detailed  that  the  department                                                                    
sought a  "P10" probability  (probability of 10  percent) in                                                                    
forecasting  the  low price  and  a  "P90" probability  when                                                                    
establishing the price for ANS and West Coast Crude.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  wondered  who  participated  in  the  oil                                                                    
forecasting  session  since  representatives  from  the  oil                                                                    
industry did not attend.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  replied  that the  participants  represented                                                                    
experts and  analysts who studied the  oil industry, experts                                                                    
from  DOR,  and analysts  from  other  departments that  had                                                                    
developed expertise in oil and gas markets.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy wondered  what the  actual composition  of                                                                    
the participants were.                                                                                                          
Mr.  Tichotsky  replied  that the  group  was  comprised  of                                                                    
Alaskan's   who    had   the   expertise,    interest,   and                                                                    
qualifications to  analyze the global markets  and possessed                                                                    
a strong  knowledge of markets  or the energy  industry. The                                                                    
day was spent  listening to the experts. He  stated that the                                                                    
method was called a "modified Delphi process."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy asked how the individuals were selected.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky   responded  that  anyone   with  appropriate                                                                    
knowledge  or expertise  of the  energy industry  from state                                                                    
government,  the  private  sector, or  the  university,  may                                                                    
participate. Journalists were  prohibited from attending the                                                                    
forecasting session.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Micciche   believed  that   commodity   markets                                                                    
typically had little effect from  inflation. He wondered why                                                                    
the   department   utilized   a   2.25   percent   inflation                                                                    
assumption.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky reminded  the committee  that oil  is a  U.S.                                                                    
dollar dominated market. He pointed  out that when analyzing                                                                    
the  "future   nominal  price  of  oil"   an  assumption  on                                                                    
inflation is  mandatory and not  unreasonable to  factor in.                                                                    
The  department  consistently  utilized the  inflation  rate                                                                    
provided  by  its   contracted  investment  company,  Callan                                                                    
Associates. He  indicated that the inflation  assumption was                                                                    
"especially critical  in how it affected  the price forecast                                                                    
in  the outer  years." A  forecasted price  of $137/bbl.  in                                                                    
2025  amounted to  $100 in  real  dollars because  inflation                                                                    
caught up  to the  price over time.  He reiterated  that DOR                                                                    
believed that  the long-term price  of oil  would eventually                                                                    
recover  to  approximately  $90bbl.   to  $100bbl.  in  real                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
Mr. Tichotsky referred to slide 18:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "Fall 2014 ANS Revenue Forecast Prices"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Official forecast is one value within a range of                                                                           
     possible outcomes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     • Probabilities as of early December 2014                                                                                  
     • FY 2015 & FY 2016 are from an internal DOR                                                                               
     probabilistic pricing model.                                                                                               
     • FY 2017 and beyond are from the Fall 2014 price                                                                          
     forecast session held on October 7, 2014.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky   elaborated  that  the  department   used  a                                                                    
"probabilistic   pricing  model"   that   factored  in   the                                                                    
"reversion to the  mean;" "the likelihood that  the price of                                                                    
oil  will  revert to  the  current  price of  oil."  Another                                                                    
factor of the model analyzed  "the chaos in the system," and                                                                    
whether  the current  price of  oil  is a  "jump event."  He                                                                    
defined  a jump  event  as  something out  of  the norm.  He                                                                    
judged that the current price of  $50/bbl. of oil was a jump                                                                    
event.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky examined slide 19,  "'What if the oil price is                                                                    
…'" for  the last  half of  FY 2015."  He related  that what                                                                    
mattered was  the average price  of oil over a  fiscal year.                                                                    
The slide  depicted the actual  and estimated  monthly price                                                                    
of oil over  FY 2015. He noted that prices  were much higher                                                                    
from  July  until October  of  2014.  If  the price  of  oil                                                                    
continued in  the $50/bbl.  range through  June of  2015 the                                                                    
lowest  price for  the  fiscal year  would  be $68/bbl.  The                                                                    
average forecasted  price in December  2014 for FY  2015 was                                                                    
$77/bbl.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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Vice-Chair  Micciche clarified  that  the nominal  inflation                                                                    
adjustment  in  the  forecasted  price  "accounted  for  the                                                                    
eventual  purchasing power  of  the U.S.  dollar versus  the                                                                    
value of the commodity."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  responded   that  the  inflation  adjustment                                                                    
represented  the potential  rate  of real  inflation to  the                                                                    
U.S. economy. He informed the  committee that the department                                                                    
issued  a  revenue  forecast  in  nominal  dollars  and  the                                                                    
legislature budgeted in nominal dollars.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman stated  that  the state's  bond rating  was                                                                    
downgraded as  the price  of oil  dropped below  $50/bbl. He                                                                    
asked whether  the state's  bond rating  will rebound  or be                                                                    
further downgraded through 2025.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck reported that  the state's bond rating                                                                    
was not downgraded. Moody's [bond  rating agency] placed the                                                                    
state on a "negative watch"  but the state retained a Triple                                                                    
A bond rating. The bond rating  could be affected by how the                                                                    
state  reacted  to  the fiscal  environment  when  budgeting                                                                    
regarding: the  size of  government, continued  savings, and                                                                    
generating new sources of revenue.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered which factors were  most important                                                                    
to the rating agencies.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck responded  that  the rating  agencies                                                                    
were most focused on the state expanding its revenue base.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  asked   whether  Commissioner  Hoffbeck  was                                                                    
advocating for a state income  tax and if the administration                                                                    
would be in favor of one.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck replied  that he  was not  advocating                                                                    
for a state income tax and  did not believe that the state's                                                                    
policies  should be  dictated by  rating agencies.  He added                                                                    
that  Alaska was  the most  financially solid  state in  the                                                                    
country.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson asked  whether the  bond rating  would change                                                                    
significantly if the state instituted a state income tax.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck answered in the negative.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop commented that he  felt it was very important                                                                    
for the state to maintain its Triple A bond rating.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  wondered how a potential  bond downgrade                                                                    
would impact  the state and  whether the  administration was                                                                    
analyzing a bond downgrade scenario.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  responded that  DOR and  the governor                                                                    
was  scheduled to  meet with  the rating  agencies: Moody's,                                                                    
Standard and  Poor's, and Fitch  on February 2  and February                                                                    
3,  2015. He  noted  that  the current  oil  markets do  not                                                                    
affect the price of borrowing  because debt was inexpensive,                                                                    
but that  might not  be the  case in five  or six  years. He                                                                    
maintained that  the state  needed to  protect its  Triple A                                                                    
bond rating.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon   wondered   what   experts   the   new                                                                    
administration retained in order  to be prepared for meeting                                                                    
with   the  bond   rating  agencies.   She  suggested   that                                                                    
inexperience  within  the  governor's transition  team  when                                                                    
conversing  with  the  rating   agencies  coupled  with  the                                                                    
precipitous decline  in oil  prices possibly  contributed to                                                                    
the bond rating downgrade discussion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck replied that  he believed the price of                                                                    
oil  was  the  biggest  driver  of  Moody's  negative  watch                                                                    
announcement.  He had  confidence in  the team  assembled to                                                                    
meet  with  the  rating  agencies. Every  member  had  prior                                                                    
experience presenting  to the rating agencies.  He felt that                                                                    
the team was solid and the discussion would be robust.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  interjected that  he had  worked as  a credit                                                                    
rating  analyst  with Fitch,  and  had  experience with  the                                                                    
North Slope Borough. He thought  that the team had expertise                                                                    
on both the  treasury and the tax side of  the credit rating                                                                    
issue. He  surmised that forecasting revenue  was useful not                                                                    
only for budgeting purposes, but  for the credit agencies to                                                                    
understand how the state predicted its future revenue.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly returned to the room.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky referred  to slide  20, "Historical  ANS West                                                                    
Coast  FY  OIL  PRICE  BANDS: ANNUAL  AVERAGE  AND  OFFICIAL                                                                    
FY2014  FORECAST" and  articulated that  the slide  depicted                                                                    
the actual  price of oil  averaged over  a year, as  well as                                                                    
the  highest  and lowest  "spot  prices"  from 2010  through                                                                    
2014. He  remarked that in  2013 and  2014 the price  of oil                                                                    
remained  the   same,  and   was  an   almost  statistically                                                                    
impossible  occurrence.  He  observed  that  the  forecasted                                                                    
price  (ranging from  2015 through  2025) depicted  within a                                                                    
range  of   high  and  low  possibilities   represented  the                                                                    
department's preferred  method of  forecasting the  price of                                                                    
oil. He understood the need for a specific number.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question  by Senator Hoffman, Mr. Tichotsky                                                                    
restated that  slide 20 represented actual  prices from 2010                                                                    
through 2014.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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Mr. Tichotsky  referred to slide  22, titled,  "General Fund                                                                    
Unrestricted  Oil Revenues."  The chart  depicted the  total                                                                    
revenue broken  down by  revenue type  with actual  2014 and                                                                    
2015 prices and  the forecasted price for  2016. He conveyed                                                                    
that  the net  royalty was  a "very  important component  to                                                                    
revenue"  and  remained  "relatively" stable  with  low  oil                                                                    
prices.  He  noted  that the  non-petroleum  revenue  (other                                                                    
sources  of   economic  activity)  was   approximately  $500                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck  added  that  production  taxes  were                                                                    
emphasized  when discussing  the  value of  Alaskan oil  but                                                                    
additionally,   the   Net    Royalty   component   generated                                                                    
substantial revenue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche queried  what assumptions the department                                                                    
was making with regard to oil and gas property taxes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck replied  that the  value was  tied to                                                                    
the  asset itself  and  not  to the  value  of  oil and  was                                                                    
relatively stable.  He qualified that property  taxes were a                                                                    
cost-based  model, and  declined slightly  over time  due to                                                                    
physical  deterioration;  calculated  by  replacement  costs                                                                    
minus depreciation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair  MacKinnon referred  to  the  proposed natural  gas                                                                    
pipeline  and  the property  tax  valuation  in relation  to                                                                    
municipalities.  She remarked  that  some local  communities                                                                    
were  "sensitive"   to  the  valuation.  As   the  valuation                                                                    
increased  the state  received less  and the  municipalities                                                                    
received more. She related  that the previous administration                                                                    
engaged  in  negotiations  with  municipalities  to  find  a                                                                    
resolution to the expensive  property tax litigation brought                                                                    
to the state by  communities. She requested clarification on                                                                    
how  the  current  administration  planned  to  address  the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  replied that  legally, he  could only                                                                    
speak to the  issue in generalities and  reported that there                                                                    
were  two   separate  issues.  One  issue   related  to  the                                                                    
litigation regarding the  existing trans-Alaska pipeline and                                                                    
the  other  issue questioned  how  to  move forward  on  the                                                                    
gasline.   Mediation   over    the   trans-Alaska   pipeline                                                                    
litigation  was scheduled  to meet  in February.  The state,                                                                    
municipalities,  and the  pipeline owners  would attempt  to                                                                    
reach a long-term resolution on  the value of a trans-Alaska                                                                    
pipeline and the associated taxes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon queried  whether the commissioner recused                                                                    
himself from  the litigation since  he had litigated  in the                                                                    
past on behalf  of municipalities and was  strongly in favor                                                                    
of the municipalities' position.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck clarified  that  in 2006  he was  the                                                                    
primary  witness for  the state  in  his role  as the  state                                                                    
assessor. In a  subsequent trial, he was  the expert witness                                                                    
for the municipalities. He reasoned  that "he should be able                                                                    
to come up with the same  answer on either side of the table                                                                    
if he was really being honest  about what" he did. He stated                                                                    
that his  testimony was not dramatically  different for both                                                                    
trials. He  continued that he  was the Finance  Director for                                                                    
the  North  Slope  Borough  and was  a  consultant  for  the                                                                    
borough  and   the  City  of  Valdez   during  property  tax                                                                    
litigation.  He made  a request  to  the attorney  general's                                                                    
office  to review  the issue  and decide  whether he  should                                                                    
recuse himself.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked   whether  the  attorney  general                                                                    
designee   would  make   the  decision   in  light   of  his                                                                    
involvement in the issue on behalf of the municipalities.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck replied  in  the  negative and  added                                                                    
that another attorney was assigned to the issue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck continued  that  in  relation to  the                                                                    
gasline he met with the  municipal advisory group to discuss                                                                    
"alternate  ways of  valuing the  pipeline to  make it  more                                                                    
stable and responsive  to the economics of  the project." He                                                                    
noted  that another  meeting was  scheduled to  specifically                                                                    
discuss the AKLNG project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   asked  whether   the  meeting   was  a                                                                    
"confidential  meeting," and  if  he could  share the  items                                                                    
under discussion.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck  answered   that  the  group  favored                                                                    
discussing the PILT (payment in lieu of taxes) proposal.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche  wondered   if  the  negotiations  with                                                                    
municipalities over  PILT were successful whether  there was                                                                    
"potential" that the PILT model  might be used on the trans-                                                                    
Alaska pipeline negotiations in the future.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck stated that  it was a possibility, but                                                                    
municipalities  were resistant  to "tie  the gasline  issues                                                                    
into  existing  assets and  that  it  would be  a  difficult                                                                    
discussion."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche thought that  the issue divided Alaskans                                                                    
for  many  years and  that  the  PILT  model was  worthy  of                                                                    
consideration to resolve differences in the future.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   asked  about  slide  22,   "General  Fund                                                                    
Unrestricted Oil Revenues," and  wondered whether the actual                                                                    
revenues  depicted were  based  on audits.  He requested  an                                                                    
update on the department's progress of "audited taxes."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck   reported  that  the   audit  review                                                                    
process began as soon as DOR  received a return and that DOR                                                                    
was approximately  five and one  half years behind in  a six                                                                    
year statute  of limitations on several  audits. The backlog                                                                    
was largely created  due to the implementation of  a new tax                                                                    
management system and  took a vast amount of  staff time. He                                                                    
related that  he had spoken  with the Tax  Division director                                                                    
who assured  the commissioner that the  department would not                                                                    
miss any audit deadlines and  would catch-up within the next                                                                    
few years.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  referred to slide  23, titled,  "General Fund                                                                    
Unrestricted  Revenues  Non-Petroleum." The  chart  depicted                                                                    
the total non-petroleum revenue  broken down by revenue type                                                                    
with actual  2014 and 2015  prices and the  forecasted price                                                                    
for 2016.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  about  the  drop  in  investment                                                                    
returns income  between the actual reported  amounts of $130                                                                    
million in  2014 to  a forecasted $30  million in  2015. She                                                                    
wondered whether  the figure  represented the  expected draw                                                                    
on the states reserve accounts  to balance the budget and if                                                                    
the states  rate of return  on investments was  predicted to                                                                    
be lower than last year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky explained  that the  forecast for  investment                                                                    
returns  was  based  on the  average  returns  predicted  by                                                                    
Callan.  Investment  returns  were  "volatile"  and  average                                                                    
predictions were not reliable in the short-term.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:56:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  interjected that  he agreed  with Co-                                                                    
Chair  MacKinnon's assumptions.  The  reserve  draw and  the                                                                    
fact that currently, there was very little return on short-                                                                     
term  investment  factored  into   the  lower  forecast.  He                                                                    
indicated  that the  major returns  from the  Permanent Fund                                                                    
were not reflected in the forecast.                                                                                             
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked if DOR  was currently attempting to                                                                    
"move  fixed assets  into cash  to meet  the projected  $3.4                                                                    
billion revenue shortfall." She  reminded the committee that                                                                    
the $3.4 billion shortfall was  only for the remainder of FY                                                                    
2015.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck answered in the affirmative.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  believed  that the  future  budget  [FY                                                                    
2016] was also projected to have a $3.4 billion shortfall.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck replied in the affirmative.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon  asked   how  the   administration  was                                                                    
prepared to meet the  shortfall without proposing additional                                                                    
revenue sources.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck  referenced  a  presentation  by  Pat                                                                    
Pitney,  Director,  Office  of Management  and  Budget  that                                                                    
demonstrated the  shortfall could be  met for "a  couple" of                                                                    
years from the state's  savings accounts. Additional revenue                                                                    
was needed in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon referred to  slide 23 and queried whether                                                                    
DOR was preparing  for a cash draw. She thought  that as the                                                                    
state spent  down its savings  the state could not  sell its                                                                    
investments   without   taking  "incredible   losses."   She                                                                    
wondered how the department was  strategizing on how to draw                                                                    
on "more  fixed" assets to  meet the projected  $3.4 billion                                                                    
shortfall  from savings.  She believed  that at  current oil                                                                    
prices  the  shortfall  might  amount  to  approximately  $7                                                                    
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  voiced that the assets  were moved to                                                                    
liquid assets  as needed  in a  timely and  programmatic way                                                                    
looking into  the future. He  expounded that very  little of                                                                    
the  assets  were invested  in  longer  term investments  in                                                                    
recognition of its  future need so no loss  was incurred but                                                                    
by moving the  assets into more liquid assets  the amount of                                                                    
returns   were   "dramatically    reduced"   as   short-term                                                                    
investments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  announced the "urgency" of  the topic at                                                                    
hand. She requested  an accounting of the  state's cash flow                                                                    
and where the department was drawing the reserves from.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  agreed to provide the  committee with                                                                    
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  referred to a presentation  by the Director                                                                    
of  the  Legislative  Finance   Division  (LFD)  that  urged                                                                    
discussions  regarding  generating  additional  revenues  in                                                                    
order  to pass  enacting legislation  in the  short-term. He                                                                    
asked whether  the department  engaged in  discussions about                                                                    
how to generate potential revenue.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck  answered  in  the  affirmative,  and                                                                    
shared  that  the governor  was  willing  to engage  in  the                                                                    
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky turned  to slide  24, titled,  "Total Revenue                                                                    
Forecast  - FY  2015 and  FY 2016."  The chart  reported the                                                                    
2014  actual  and  FY  2015 and  FY  2016  forecasted  total                                                                    
revenue and revenue  broken down by revenue  type. He shared                                                                    
that  in FY  2014  the state  generated  the second  highest                                                                    
overall total state revenues. He  offered that the state was                                                                    
well  positioned  in  terms  of  wealth  relative  to  other                                                                    
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  referred to slide  25, "FY 2016  General Fund                                                                    
Unrestricted Revenue, With  Price Sensitivity," and observed                                                                    
that  the   graph  demonstrated   that  in  a   lower  price                                                                    
environment the decline revenue  curve tended to flatten out                                                                    
and did  not decline as  greatly as revenues  increased over                                                                    
$80/bbl.  He cited  the charts  on  page 83  of the  Revenue                                                                    
Source Book and recommended that  the committee refer to the                                                                    
charts when inquiring  what the state's revenue  would be at                                                                    
a particular price and production combination.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  moved to  slide 27,  "Comparison -  Fall 2014                                                                    
vs.  Spring  2014  Forecasts.  He   noted  that  the  charts                                                                    
highlighted  the  amount  the forecasted  figures  had  been                                                                    
adjusted from  the spring 2014  to the fall  2015 forecasts.                                                                    
The  forecasted  price   changed  approximately  27  percent                                                                    
(declined)  for the  current period  and production  numbers                                                                    
increased [2.7 percent],  which did not alter  the effect of                                                                    
low prices; a  decrease of half of the  projected revenue in                                                                    
the  current  fiscal  year. The  slide  depicted  a  similar                                                                    
scenario in FY 2016.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a  question  by,  Co-Chair  MacKinnon  Mr.                                                                    
Tichotsky  restated that  production estimates  increased in                                                                    
FY 2016.                                                                                                                        
Mr. Tichotsky  identified slide 28, "Contributors  of Change                                                                    
in  FY   2015  Revenue  Forecast."  He   remarked  that  one                                                                    
contributor   of  change   in  the   revenue  forecast   was                                                                    
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:07:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche referred  to the  departments projected                                                                    
revenue  of $2.8  billion based  on $66.03/bbl.  in FY  2016                                                                    
($2.2  billion in  petroleum revenues  and  $5.7 billion  in                                                                    
non-petroleum revenues).  He noted that the  range of prices                                                                    
forecasted was a low of  approximately $40/bbl. to a high of                                                                    
$85/bbl. and  wondered how DOR  responded when the  price of                                                                    
oil was in the bottom of the range.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Tichotsky  responded   that   in   terms  of   revenue                                                                    
forecasting the difference was $1.6  billion to $1.8 billion                                                                    
in revenue per  year as opposed to $2.5  billion at $80/bbl.                                                                    
The revenue  difference in the  low ranges was not  as great                                                                    
until prices rose to the higher end of the spectrum.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky referred to slide  29, "Contributors of Change                                                                    
in FY 2016  Revenue Forecast," and explained  that the chart                                                                    
depicted  a considerably  lower  price  than the  forecasted                                                                    
spring  price  and  a production  increase  of  30  thousand                                                                    
barrels per day.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky moved  to slide  31,  "North Slope  Operating                                                                    
Expenditure Forecast  Change," and  detailed that  the graph                                                                    
depicted an  increase in operating expenditure  based on the                                                                    
increase in  investments over the previous  spring forecast.                                                                    
He  reverted  attention to  slide  30,  North Slope  Capital                                                                    
Expenditure  Forecast   change,"  and  indicated   that  the                                                                    
department  was  "overly  optimistic" when  forecasting  the                                                                    
timing of  receiving capital expenditures.  The expenditures                                                                    
were  anticipated  to be  greater  than  expected in  spring                                                                    
2014.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  explained slide 32, "Net  Tax Credits                                                                    
Versus  Production Tax,"  noting that  the data  had created                                                                    
some controversy. He  discussed that the light  green bar on                                                                    
the bar  graph depicted  production tax before  any credits.                                                                    
The darker green bar portrayed  production tax after credits                                                                    
used  against tax  liability. He  communicated that  not all                                                                    
credits were  considered costs.  The difference  between the                                                                    
two  bars  indicated the  cost  of  credits per  barrel.  He                                                                    
observed  that the  20 percent  per  barrel capital  credits                                                                    
under  Alaska's Clear  and Equitable  Share  (ACES) and  its                                                                    
replacement  in SB  21 (SB  21 Oil  and Gas  Production Tax,                                                                    
June 2013) were essential parts  of the tax system, and were                                                                    
accounted for  before revenues. The differences  between the                                                                    
light  green and  dark green  bar also  represented the  per                                                                    
barrel allowances that  were considered in the  tax rate for                                                                    
the companies  that were  actually producing  and had  a tax                                                                    
liability.  The dark  green bar  denoted approximately  $500                                                                    
million  in  FY  2015,  which  was the  amount  of  tax  the                                                                    
producers were  paying this  fiscal year.  The red  bar (the                                                                    
production  tax  net  of refundable  credits)  which  dipped                                                                    
below  the  zero  line   in  negative  numbers,  represented                                                                    
credits that  encouraged production namely,  exploration and                                                                    
new  field development.  The  activity  did not  immediately                                                                    
create  a   revenue  stream  and  qualified   as  refundable                                                                    
credits.  He  emphasized  that  the  producers  were  paying                                                                    
production taxes but the negative  total (production tax net                                                                    
of  refundable credits)  indicated  by the  red  bar [in  FY                                                                    
2016] represented  the state's  investment in the  future to                                                                    
bring more production  online. He judged that  the issue was                                                                    
not a  "systemic problem" with  the credits but  indicated a                                                                    
cash flow  problem due to  low oil prices. He  surmised that                                                                    
credits that  spur investment  in the  future at  times when                                                                    
revenue  was   low  were  "painful"  but   remained  crucial                                                                    
investments for the future.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  referenced   an  editorial  written  by                                                                    
Governor Walker  titled, "The Hard Truth  about Alaska's Oil                                                                    
Revenue." She  perceived that  the editorial  attributed the                                                                    
problem to the  "big three" oil producers in  the state [BP,                                                                    
ConocoPhillips, and  Exxon]. She clarified that  an array of                                                                    
oil producers  paying taxes operated  in the state  and that                                                                    
the three largest  producers paid net positive  taxes to the                                                                    
state.  She  elaborated that  the  negative  net number  was                                                                    
generated  by producers  who had  zero tax  liability. Under                                                                    
the  state's new  tax  regime a  small  producer's zero  tax                                                                    
liability  could be  purchased  by the  state. The  negative                                                                    
number   represented  credits   to   smaller  producers   to                                                                    
"incentivize   production."  She   asked  the   commissioner                                                                    
whether he agreed with her assessment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck concurred with her statements.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  continued that  oil taxes  accounted for                                                                    
88  percent  of  Alaska's  revenues.  She  referred  to  the                                                                    
"Indirect Expenditure Report"  sanctioned by the legislature                                                                    
in  2014 and  compiled by  the Legislative  Finance Division                                                                    
with  the help  of DOR.  She  noted that  the report  showed                                                                    
substantial    reductions    in   [non-petroleum]    revenue                                                                    
authorized by the legislature in  collaboration with the tax                                                                    
paying entities  and were established  as far back  as 1969.                                                                    
She asked the  commissioner to name the top five  to ten tax                                                                    
credits  in  order  to determine  those  particular  credits                                                                    
value to the state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck was unable  to provide the information                                                                    
without  review  but agreed  that  the  state's tax  credits                                                                    
needed to be  re-examined to ensure they  were achieving the                                                                    
original goals. He would provide  the information at a later                                                                    
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon noted that other  types of tax credits in                                                                    
other  "revenue  streams"  did  not  generate  revenues  and                                                                    
exemplified the Film Tax credit.  She stated her support for                                                                    
the  film  industry in  Alaska  and  noted the  benefit  the                                                                    
credit  provided those  employed in  the industry.  However,                                                                    
she  believed  that  tax credits  and  the  resulting  ceded                                                                    
revenue  needed to  be  re-examined in  the  face of  multi-                                                                    
billion dollar  revenue shortfalls.  She suggested  that the                                                                    
legislature develop a method for  DOR to assign value to tax                                                                    
credits and determine whether a  particular tax credit would                                                                    
generate future revenue for the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:20:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hoffbeck responded  that one  element embedded                                                                    
in the film tax credit  was a pre-credit review and approval                                                                    
process,  which  was  missing from  other  tax  credits.  He                                                                    
specified  that  one  criteria considered  was  whether  the                                                                    
credit was  in the best  economic interest of the  state and                                                                    
believed that criteria should apply to every tax credit.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche believed  that SB  21 was  specifically                                                                    
designed  to  induce  "improvements" in  the  long-term.  He                                                                    
assumed that  the credits predicted in  the department's oil                                                                    
production  forecast included  "the volume  from undeveloped                                                                    
resources  and additional  accelerated developed  reserves."                                                                    
He  asked  whether the  credits  reflected  the category  of                                                                    
undeveloped  resources  that  had   a  high  probability  of                                                                    
producing a net positive outcome for the state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky replied in the  affirmative. He explained that                                                                    
the  forecast   examined  the   net  investment   effect  on                                                                    
production. He restated that the  greater the investment the                                                                    
greater the "production signal" the investment sends.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  pointed out  that  the  Cook Inlet  tax                                                                    
credits  had  zero  liability,  and  that  the  Southcentral                                                                    
region directly benefitted from  the credits. She delineated                                                                    
that the  credits incentivized development as  a solution to                                                                    
the  "brown  outs"  the  area  had  been  experiencing.  The                                                                    
majority  of the  refundable  credits  were associated  with                                                                    
South-Central and the Cook Inlet region of Alaska.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck indicated  that the refundable credits                                                                    
were actually  split fifty-fifty between Cook  Inlet and the                                                                    
North  Slope. He  pointed out  that significant  development                                                                    
was  presently occurring  on the  North  Slope. The  credits                                                                    
"incentivized"  and enhanced  the  oil and  gas industry  in                                                                    
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche  stated  that  North  Slope  production                                                                    
generated revenue  for the state  and Cook  Inlet production                                                                    
served  Southcentral  Alaska's  energy needs  and  reflected                                                                    
"two  very different  production environments."  He wondered                                                                    
whether the administration shared his view.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck  replied that  the Cook  Inlet credits                                                                    
were  intended to  create  a stable  gas  supply for  South-                                                                    
central  Alaska and  that  the purpose  of  credits for  the                                                                    
North Slope was to generate  revenue for the state. He added                                                                    
that  the Tesoro  Refinery in  Southcentral also  benefitted                                                                    
from the incentive credits.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy inquired  whether  the administration  was                                                                    
considering revising the  tax regime instituted in  SB 21 in                                                                    
the near-term.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hoffbeck  responded   in  the   negative.  He                                                                    
believed that the  new tax system needed time  to develop to                                                                    
determine whether it was producing the intended results.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  did  not  agree  with  the  administrations                                                                    
initial  response  to  the  issue of  oil  tax  credits.  He                                                                    
believed  that false  information  was  disseminated in  the                                                                    
press around  the issue of oil  tax credits and that  it was                                                                    
unfortunate that the citizens  of Alaska had to "mistakenly"                                                                    
make  decisions  about  oil industry  taxes  and  production                                                                    
based on falsehoods.  He referred to the  editorial piece by                                                                    
Governor  Walker,   and  felt  that  it   aligned  with  the                                                                    
"nontruths"  circulated  about  the credits  and  "hit"  the                                                                    
legislature "hard."  He referred to press  reporting that he                                                                    
believed  misrepresented  the  facts  regarding  SB  21.  He                                                                    
maintained that SB  21 rectified a previous  tax system that                                                                    
wrote  "huge  checks  to  the oil  industry."  He  found  it                                                                    
"difficult to  navigate" the situation  while misinformation                                                                    
was being  circulated and  believed that  in regards  to his                                                                    
editorial the  governor was  misinformed. He  was encouraged                                                                    
that the  administration had no  intention to revisit  SB 21                                                                    
and  felt  that the  tax  overhaul  already had  a  positive                                                                    
effect on production while sending  a message of "stability"                                                                    
to  the  industry. He  concluded  that  the legislature  had                                                                    
worked arduously  on the issue  of tax credits  and believed                                                                    
that the  Governor was acting responsibly  with a restrained                                                                    
approach to SB 21.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon clarified that  the Cook Inlet loss carry                                                                    
forward credits expired January 1, 2016.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tichotsky  referred  to  slide  33,  "Fall  2014  Total                                                                    
Revenue Forecast," and observed  that the graph demonstrated                                                                    
the  historic variability  of  the  state's revenue  sources                                                                    
(non-petroleum, petroleum, federal,  and investments) but on                                                                    
average more stability was predicted in the future.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  referred to  slide 34,  "Unrestricted Revenue                                                                    
Forecast 2015-2023,"  and noted that the  chart depicted the                                                                    
department's  belief  that  oil   prices  were  expected  to                                                                    
recover  over  the  longer-term   and  that  production  was                                                                    
expected  to   increase  in  the  short   to  mid-term.  The                                                                    
production decline beginning in  2019 was due to uncertainty                                                                    
by forecasting  that far into  the future.  Deductible lease                                                                    
expenditures  were  anticipated  to   increase  due  to  the                                                                    
additional  production  which   also  affected  the  state's                                                                    
revenue. Revenues  in the $2.5  billion range  were expected                                                                    
in  the short-term.  The graph  included the  production tax                                                                    
value per taxable barrel.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:33:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche agreed  with the departments forecasting                                                                    
methodology but expressed concern  that the forecasted price                                                                    
of $66.03/bbl.  was 42  percent above  the current  price of                                                                    
oil.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky replied that the  revenue forecast "is what it                                                                    
is"  and  that "perfect  knowledge"  was  not available.  He                                                                    
voiced  that  the  revenue forecast  provided  a  "multi-use                                                                    
tool"  for   budgeting,  planning,   and  the   bond  rating                                                                    
agencies.  He  felt  that  "overall"  the  revenue  forecast                                                                    
served the users well.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Dunleavy   noted   the   forecasted   "significant                                                                    
production decline" and asked for clarity.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  reiterated that  the decline  represented the                                                                    
uncertainty in forecasting production into the longer-term.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  referred to  the  Cook  Inlet credits,  and                                                                    
related that  the credits had  "eliminated a lot of  fear in                                                                    
Southcentral Alaska" and that  similar credits could benefit                                                                    
energy needs in other parts of the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question  by Senator Hoffman, Mr. Tichotsky                                                                    
replied that the  asterisk on slide 34 next  to general fund                                                                    
unrestricted revenues was there inadvertently.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a  question  by  Co-Chair  MacKinnon,  Mr.                                                                    
Tichotsky replied that the footnote  on slide 33 that read,"                                                                    
GFUR did  not reflect true investment  revenue forecast" was                                                                    
also not relevant.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  referred  to the  red  line  projecting                                                                    
federal revenues of  $3.1 billion on slide  33, and wondered                                                                    
whether  the  figure  included   federal  monies  from  "the                                                                    
increase with Medicaid."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tichotsky  replied in the  negative. He  elaborated that                                                                    
typically $3.1 billion of federal  revenue was allocated but                                                                    
approximately 20  percent to 30 percent  less (approximately                                                                    
$2.4 billion) was actually spent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche believed  that Commissioner Hoffbeck was                                                                    
"extremely fair  on the positive  net effects of SB  21." He                                                                    
calculated that the  net positive to the state  from the new                                                                    
production tax of  35 percent base tax and  sliding scale at                                                                    
current prices was well over  $200 million as opposed to the                                                                    
previous tax  regime. He wondered  whether DOR had  done any                                                                    
calculations  regarding the  differences in  revenue between                                                                    
the previous [ACES] and new tax systems.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck replied that  he had not performed any                                                                    
recent calculations  but agreed that "a  substantial uplift"                                                                    
had occurred  with low  oil prices  because of  the "minimum                                                                    
tax floor."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly asked whether SB 21 "tended" to raise more                                                                       
revenue with low oil prices than ACES.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hoffbeck responded in the affirmative and                                                                          
furthered that when the minimum tax threshold was reached,                                                                      
SB 21 raised "substantially more" revenue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
11:42:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 11:42 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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